When I’m not wasting people’s time with my blog, I’m wasting my time posting as IowaPacker on the forums of www.packerchatters.com.
As I was finishing up a post there today, I realized that what I was saying there had larger implications for my own work on “iterative listening”. But, frankly, I’m too tired of composing right now to rewrite the thing. So instead, I’m just reposting the thing I wrote there. If you’re not a football fan, much less a Packer fan, feel free to ignore all those details. I really don’t think what I’m saying is limited to trivial questions like whether the Packers current starting quarterback is going to be good or bad.
A few comments on this thread…
1. Dallas game and its different strategy (Terry’s point). When I see a game opening up differently than several games preceding it, my mind says “different game plan.” To me it says more than just “QB reading the progressions differently than before” or “quarterback deciding to gunsling more.” In short, when I watched the opening quarter of the Dallas game (before Favre got hurt), I saw Mike McCarthy having decided to do something a bit different against Dallas.
Now I’m bummed that the Packers lost the game. And I didn’t like the emphasis on the long ball that opened the game (regardless of whose idea it was, McCarthy’s, Favre’s, or the Gatorade salesman’s). But here’s why I hope it was McCarthy’s idea, and I think the reason will surprise most.
I hope it was McCarthy’s idea and not Favre’s because McCarthy is still with the team. One of the things I like a lot about Mike McCarthy is is willingness to innovate, his willingness to try new things, his willingness to take t he initiative and make the other team react tohim. And I like all that about him even knowing that sometimes he’s going to get it wrong and sometimes he’s going to screw up big time.
That’s an inevitable characteristic of innovation — sometimes the particular innovation is a going to turn out to be a horribly bad idea. But I’d rather have a coach that innovated and made the occasional mistake as a result than one who played the percentages and tried to just “stay with what worked”.
I admit that when McCarthy was hired, one of the things that I made me less than enthusiastic was that he was coming in as a “west coast offense” coach. I didn’t want another coach that was beholden to the past, even a past that has been as successful as the WCO has been under Walsh and the second generation (e.g. Mike Holmgren). I wanted someone who would provide us with the next great offense, not another example of the last one.
And so I have found myself pleasantly surprised that McCarthy has been proving himself far more than just another WCO discipline. Even if I (still) think he screwed it up in the pre-Rodgers part of the Dallas game.
That, to me, is the biggest lesson of the Dallas game.
2. Rodgers and the evidence of the Dallas game (Heatseeker’s original point) Of course point one, despite its length, has next to nothing to do with Heatseeker’s original post. Which, to be (for me) concise about it, is spot on.
It just doesn’t make sense to give Rodgers performance in that one game as much credence as others seem to do. Yeah, he had a pretty darn good game and I was really happy to see it. But one game is just that, one game. In statistics its the small sample problem. Make an inference from one data point if you must, but don’t, please, claim any sort of “proof” from it. That is just dumb.
And that’s true whatever you think Heatseeker’s “agenda” is or isn’t. I don’t know what Heatseeker’s agenda is, and frankly I don’t give a damn if he has one. I agree with him because he’s got the point about “inference and evidence” right, and I ought to agree with him EVEN IF I think he’s been corrupted by some agenda opposed to mine.
Take the inference I make “from the Dallas game” about McCarthy-as-innovator in #1 above. On its surface, it’s doing the same thing — looking at one example (the Dallas game) and drawing a long, fairly-complicated, inference about McCarthy (“he’s an innovator”). Yet, if you look more closely that’s not what I was doing at all. What I was doing was adding the Dallas game’s “example” and adding it to the rest of McCarthy’s performance since he was hired as a “WCO coach”).
I can make claims about how good McCarthy is going to be that are based on two-plus years of his being a full time head coach of the GB packers. I can make them now.
I can’t do the same about Rodgers. BECAUSE I DON”T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO DO ANYTHING BUT MAKE A BALD-FACED GUESS. Oh, I can claim that the Dallas game, or the Cincinnati game, shows him to this or the other thing. And if I did, Heatseeker would be correct to point out that I was doing nothing but making an inference from a very small sample. And he’d be correct to point that out even if he was doing it to further a secret or not-so-secret agenda.
Which brings me to…
/enter chiding lecture mode
3. Agendas, hidden and otherwise. One of the reasons I hate most discussion of the “news” on major networks like CNN is that purported journalists descend far too easily into the discussion of this or that politician’s or businessman’s “agenda”. One of the (many) reasons I think “ESPN journalist” is an oxymoron is that the people who talk at us from our TV find it far to easy to get into agendas. Whether Chad Johnson/Brett Favre has an agenda or whether Chad Johnson thinks Mike Brown/Ted Thompson has an agenda is really beside the point for the issues at hand.
Sure, people have motives. Some good, some bad, all of us have motives. And some of you have motives which are utterly stupid motives (since they contradict my values, and everyone knows I’m the only one who is never utterly stupid smile.gif Well, not when I’m sleeping, anyway).
But one thing I find is that if I look and listen hard enough, I can learn something valuable even from people with utterly stupid motives. But I do that only if I’m willing to put my view of their motives and their agenda aside.
Not if *they* put their agenda aside. If *I* put their agenda aside. If I can’t put their agenda aside, I might as well not pay any attention to them at all.
Chiding them about their agenda, yelling at them, calling them names? Oh, that might make me feel good in the short term. One of the reasons all of us are petty from time to time is that it makes us feel good to act petty. Nyah, nyah, nyah, and all that.
But in the long run it doesn’t get me anywhere. The other person doesn’t change. And I have spent my time on something that didn’t get me anywhere either.
And the older I get, the less willing I am to waste time. The more I notice cases like that of Gene Upshaw and think, gee, that could be me any day now.
So, my advice to everyone is, the next time you feel tempted to call out another poster of Packer Chatters for his or her “agenda,” ask yourself the following question: Am I willing to “listen and learn” from this person even if I think he/she’s got a hidden agenda that I think corrupts what he/she says?” If your answer is “yes,” then put his/her agenda aside and listen harder. And if your answer is “no”, then put his/her agenda aside and hit the scroll key.
Because that’s part of my no-longer-hidden agenda. I’d rather listen to just about anything than talk about agendas. I’ve got too much else I want to learn from people.
Some agendas are important. From my religious standpoint the agenda of Jesus is important to reveal. If someone has a “Hitler” or “Pol Pot” type agenda, that’s important to reveal. But a “bash Favre” or “bash Rodgers” or “bash Thompson” agenda.
That’s trivial, next to what you can learn from the people with those agendas.
If you don’t like my agenda, then set it aside.
Listen. Or scroll.
Those are the only two choices that make sense.
Set aside the other person’s agenda.
/exit chiding lecture mode


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